Would You Feel Awkward?

Updated on June 03, 2013
M.H. asks from Madison, WI
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So we are in a workplace setting.

A friend, we’ll call her Betty, is sitting at the front desk working. She is a really sweet person, but it seems like she sort of annoys people sometimes. I really like her and she is a nice friend, even with her quirks. After all, we all have some type of quirks. 

I also know Betty’s boss pretty well. We’ll call him Bob. He and I joke around and chat often. I’ve known him longer than I’ve known Betty. I am friends with members of his family and my son and his grandson are very good friends.

Anyway, Betty is sitting at the front desk and her and I are talking about a business related topic. Bob comes up to the front entrance door and was walking through when Betty starts giving him a message. I feel like this might have been the first mistake. Maybe bad timing? The message has to do with setting up a meeting with a client and the meeting would typically involve him or another boss but they will both be gone this week so they wouldn’t be available.
Betty proceeds to tell Bob that she knows they’ll be gone. Bob says ‘yes, we’ll all be gone.’ Betty then says that she told client that they would be gone but maybe an assistant could do the meeting.
Bob says he wished she hadn’t said that to the client.
He tries to explain to Betty that she is giving out information that she shouldn’t have shared and she is trying to ‘solve’ something that isn’t her place to solve.

Then Bob tells her ‘I think we’ve had this discussion before. And proceeds to say ‘how long do you have to go to school…..’ then Betty started saying something and he said that she should’ve just taken the client’s name and number and he would have called client back to provide the information.
Bob was very upset at that point and turned and walked away.
I felt so bad and awkward for Bob, for Betty and the whole situation.

Should Bob have discussed that in private with Betty instead of with me standing there? Maybe since he knows me well he said what he had to say. But it was so awkward.
After he walked away, my mouth dropped open in amazement and then I immediately said that I had to go. I have never seen him that way before and it really surprised me.
I didn’t want Betty trying to get me to discuss it with her.

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So What Happened?

Just to clarify, I do not work in the workplace, so Bob is not my boss.
I was standing there as a 'customer' so it is not that I am immature or a child. Bob had an issue with how his employee handled something, should that be discussed in front of me or anyone else? Not because of mature or not mature, but because it was an issue between boss/employee and should be discussed privately.

Yes, very good point about Bob getting stopped by Betty when he was really just walking through and probably had many other things on his mind.
But that is I think what annoys people about Betty. And I do agree that Bob started about being gentle with Betty but she did keep coming back with ‘justification’ for her actions.

Like someone else had mentioned, maybe Bob was showing me his superiority. I agree that it felt like he was reacting in a certain way since I was there and maybe was trying to show me something about the situation. But I’m not sure exactly why. Maybe once he started to react to her he wanted me to realize that this is an ongoing issue with Betty since he pointed out that they have discussed this before.
I’m wondering if he said what he said because I was there. If so, why exactly.

Update:
Betty called me today to ask me about something unrelated to the situation above. In our conversation, she did say something referring to the situation above. She said that sometimes she overreacts and worries that she has done something wrong since she was wrongfully accused of doing something wrong in a previous job.
So now its as if she convinced herself that she didn’t really do anything wrong in the situation above. Bob was clearly telling her that she has made a mistake, once again, and he clearly stated that they have discussed this mistake before. I’ve known Bob a long time and I’ve never seen him speak or act the way he did yesterday. He was clearly upset and seems fed up. I think Betty has had to convince herself that she overreacted to the situation so she could deal with it. But in the long run, she needs to see where she made the mistake so it won’t happen yet again. I feel sad for Betty. And I think I’m seeing Bob’s point here. A mistake is being pointed out to her, yet it keeps recurring and this is a very simple concept – so why isn’t she getting it.

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J.S.

answers from Hartford on

I wouldn't criticize Bob at all here, to be honest. Betty hit him with her information AS SOON AS he walked in. It sounds as if she expected a response from him immediately that she gave correct information. She then proceeded to give more details on the conversation she had with a client which forced Bob to give more reaction/response.

It sounds as if he was trying to be gentle with her except she kept snowballing the situation with more and more information, digging herself into a deeper hole. She's the one who didn't give the situation the privacy it required. She should have waited until Bob was in his office and settled in or e-mailed Bob with the information.

Instead, Betty sucker-punched Bob as he was walking in the door. I have a feeling that after you were gone, Bob would also have reprimanded her for airing the company's dirty laundry in front of another client as well as putting him in a position of having to address the issue as soon as he walked in the door.

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O.O.

answers from Kansas City on

You're right -- he shouldn't have reprimanded her in front of you.

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X.O.

answers from Chicago on

Oh boy, if you were an employee who worked there, I'd think that he was ok saying it with you there. But as a customer? Oh no, he has to maintain his professionalism in front of his customers. Yes, he was probably caught off guard, but as a person in a leadership position he should have already figured out ways to respond to situations like that where he can tell the person that they will discuss it later. All he needed to do was say something like, "Thank you for telling me. We will discuss it" and then walk away. He could have gone to his office and called Betty into his office later to talk about it. Much more professional, and no one loses face.

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M.L.

answers from Cleveland on

I'm not even sure he knew you were there in a sense, like he saw you but was so irked at having to deal with her doing this AGAIN that he didn't process it, UNLess he made eye contact with you or was trying to pull you into it,
I personally think you should have stepped away as soon as she started to give him the message or at least when he started in on her.

yes maybe he should have held his tongue but he is a human too. so in all of this, i say just lay low for a bit and try to move on.

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J.K.

answers from Sacramento on

Yikes... I agree with you, awkward all around...

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L.A.

answers from Austin on

Totally inappropriate.

He should have spoken to her privately, even if you worked there.

And yes totally awkward.

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K.J.

answers from Phoenix on

Yea.That would be awkward for me to

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M.P.

answers from Portland on

Bob should not have said anything to Betty in front of you. I've been in similar situations with total strangers. I just turn and walk away when the person with whom I'm talking starts to give someone else a message and it turns into something more than a quick exchange.

This is especially awkward for you because you're friends of both and because of your friendship it is even less appropriate for him to talk with her while you're present.

I would try to put it out of my mind. I would tell Betty, if she wants to talk about it, that it's none of your business and that you're not willing to talk about it if that's the way you feel about it.

I suggest that as a good friend it may be helpful if you do give your take on the situation but only if she asks you for it. I've often had a friend clue me in on a work habit when I didn't understand why my boss was displeased with me. I would want a friend to help me. But then, I always ask for input.

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R.R.

answers from Houston on

I agree with Lillym. I think he was caught off guard. Yes, Betty was all kinds of wrong to give too much info. It seems that she wants to be sooooo professional to show everyone that she could have his job--that she is overstepping her role. She may find herself out of a job soon...

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answers from Dallas on

Friendships outside of work don't matter. He is a boss. You are a fellow employee. It's silly that he behaved that way, and should not blur the line between employee and friend.

He acted like a jerk. A boss should never do that in front of others. This should have happened behind closed doors. I don't actually think she did anything wrong. It would have been better for her to give him the message without you there, but I've been front office. Sometimes, it's hard to get people, if you don't give them a message when the come in. It would have been better to wait, but it wasn't wrong. It WAS wrong for him to insult her at all, let alone in front of a co-worker. He is a boss, he SHOULD know better, and treat his employees better. If he needs to talk with her or discipline her, it shouldn't have been there.

Yes, I would have felt awkward. I also would have felt disappointed in my friend, that he behaved so poorly. You've never SEEN him behave that way. Do you really think he just all the sudden acted like a jerk, this one day? I bet this is not uncommon.

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J.W.

answers from St. Louis on

Not really. I am friends with people I work with but I am not friends with my coworkers. In other words at work we are coworkers out of work we are friends.

You are a grown up, not a child, why shouldn't you hear that discussion? Should your boss be concerned with who you like and don't like and consider your feelings? That would be silly.

I don't know, maybe it is because I am a professional, I make management decisions, I don't see what the big deal is. Thankfully I work with professionals and when I tell a friend they did something wrong they know it is business, it has nothing to do with outside of work. I suppose it would be different if I worked with a mess of immature people but then again I am not friends with immature people so it still wouldn't matter.

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H.L.

answers from Houston on

I don't think that Bob was wrong. Betty should have been mindful that your ears were present and, perhaps, walked with him to his office. She shouldn't have mentioned it in front of you. Also, she probably should have just waited until he got settled in before throwing him a problem to solve. Oh, and Bob was right that Betty should have kept her trap shut to the client. Now, he's got to take back the unsolicited option that she gave the client. It seems that Betty was out of place all the way around. Once you heard that she was conducting business with him that did not involve you, you should have excused yourself.

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M.C.

answers from Detroit on

Awkward, yes; uncommon: no. A couple of things. One, Betty overstepped her boundaries and should have known better, so Bob condescendingly corrected her. Second, by belittling her in front of you--Bob showed someone (you) his superiority and that he is the boss. Third, maybe he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day which is why he acted like a jerk. Whatever be the case, I've seen this so many times. Those in charge love to treat those "beneath" them like sh**. It makes them feel superior.

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