8 Year Old Not Sleeping

Updated on August 23, 2010
T.F. asks from Pleasanton, CA
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My 8 year old daughter is having a hard time sleeping. She's never been a great sleeper but in the last 3 weeks it has been a problem. She can't fall asleep until 11-12 p.m.. A few nights this week she has been up during the night, last night she woke up at 3 then at 5 told me she just couldn't sleep. I told her to read. She's been up since then.
A few things that have changed in this timeframe are, we haven't had any scheduled activities that we have to be up for in the morning but I've been getting her up most days at around 8 a.m. (if she's not awake already) It has been cloudy in the morning and her room is on the darkest side of the house (in the morning). We have not been consistant in taking our supplements (vitamins, omegas, B12 as we were during the school year) When researching this on the internet I found seasonal delayed sleep onset which seems to fit with the photo period of our day being shortened somewhat abruptly by the morning cloud cover. This also describes the sleep problems my Mom had and that I have.
I'm trying the following:
We always have a bedtime routine. Now making sure she's done everything that could possible be a distraction before bed (potty, too hot/cold, drink, etc....)
Eating earlier in the evening (between 5:30-6:00)
Getting her up and moving her to our room which faces the East and has a big window. Considering purchasing a light for light therapy.
Starting back on a routine to take our supplements daily.
I try to make sure she's out and about, swimming or riding her bike/scooter everyday.
There is probably more but that's what I can think of right now. I've asked a couple of nutritionists for their input and am going to call her pediatrician on Monday. Thought I would post this here to see if anyone else has gone through this and has any suggestions. Is it something to do with develpment? It doesn't seem normal to me but maybe a phase?

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So What Happened?

Thanks for everyone's advice! I think a combination of what I did ad the advice here helped! (we talked about the good and the bad things about school) I just got the book from the library "How to Talk so Kids will Listen" I also asked her what she thought would help and she likes her room as dark as possible so we close her door now. I also realized she is remembering her dreams and waking up now where as before she said she couldn't remember or didn't dream. We talked about that and I let her know that if it is a bad dream that scares her she should come get me but asked her to stay in bed if it wasn't a scary dream and tell me about it the next day. She thought that was a good idea and is excited about telling me her funny dreams. Just incase someone else reads this thread another friend said a few things recommended to her for her child is to make sure he's in adjustment (chiropractic, my husbands a chiropractor so we're coverd). Making sure they have enough magnesium and melatonin. She is waiting to use melatonin as a last resort as it is hormorne so she wants to be careful with it. I'll keep the other suggestions (NPR and a magnetic pad in mind incase the issue pops up again. Also, thanks for the reminder about toxins. With cleaning we are pretty good about this but she does have a lot of crafts/toys she received for her BDay in the summer and of course there's a lot of plastic there. Take care all and Thanks again!

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M.R.

answers from Columbus on

We have kids with sleeping issues. Our doctor suggested melatonin, and it was very helpful. Ask your pediatrician. Sleep disorders are not unheard of with children. I gather from your post that she has some kind of learning issue that has brought you to the "supplement" for school route. You should know that children with learning and attentional disorders also have a high comorbidity with sleep issues that are both related, and independent of the developmental learning issue.

M.

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P.M.

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The previous suggestions are good ones. Anxiety is a well-known sleep-wrecker. And I use melatonin myself to improve my chances of sleep, but be sure to get a pediatrician's advice on dosage. It's a natural hormone produced in the brain during the dark hours to promote sleep. It's a powerful antioxidant, too. It should be used only at night for several medical reasons.

You might also want to make sure that your daughter's surroundings are as non-toxic as possible. I have severe chemical sensitivities, and if I get cumulative exposures to perfumes and other chemicals that are common in laundry products, air fresheners, many household cleaners, or too much auto exhaust, new plastic smells, etc., it really jazzes up my nervous system and makes relaxation and sleep virtually impossible. There are some food colors and preservatives that have also been proven to stilmulate children who are already prone to hyperactivity.

One more thought, and this is something I'm going to investigate further: I just heard a report on "integrative mind-body training" on NPR, which you (as a sleep-challenged person yourself) may be interested in hearing about. It appears that it can promote actual physical changes in the brain in as little as 11 hours of total practice, resulting in a less stress, a reduction in the production of stress hormones, and improvements in mood. Who among us can't use that? Unfortunately, the article is scant on where one would go to find such training, but I'm keeping my ears open. It sounds like something children could possibly practice, too, since only a half-hour a day makes a difference. Here's the report: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1293...

It sounds like you are paying serious attention to possible causes – good for you! Good luck with this. Sleep issues are really challenging, and they don't tend to get any easier as we age.

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M.P.

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Your plan sounds excellent to me. I'd just add the suggestion that she may be feeling anxious about going back to school. Perhaps giving her an opportunity to talk about how she's feeling might help. I suggest first reading or listening to the book, How to Talk so Kids will Listen and How to Listen so Kids Will Talk by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish will help you word what you say in a manner that will make it easier for her to share her feelings.

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D.B.

answers from Missoula on

I have a 10 year old son who has issues sleeping as well and I am struggling with finding a solution as well. His room is the darkest in the house as well and I am doing some of the same things to alleviate this problem but your input has given me a few new ideas as well. If I find anything else on the matter, I will be sure to inform you.

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N.A.

answers from San Francisco on

I had sleep challenges since I was little until I was an adult. Started sleeping on a magnetic pad and changed my sleep to the best sleep ever. Statistics say 1 out of 3 children have sleep deprevation. Good sleep is essential to rebuild the immune system.

I have my granddaughter sleeping on it also. She sleeps better also. If you want to learn more let me know.

N. Marie

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