1St Grade Teacher - Home Room Mom - Out of Blue She Starts Tallking About Repeat

Updated on December 17, 2010
B. asks from Choctaw, OK
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I have a question. My son is in 1st grade. He has scored lower in reading than the norm. So when they suggested reading lab, my husband and I were all for it. This was in kindergarten - at the end of the year he was on grade level - a little ahead - then at the start of first grade he scored low in reading again - so they wanted to put him in reading lab again - so we said okay.

We went to the first 9 well parent teacher conference and all is great - what a sweet kid, all A's and + marks - but still a little behind in reading - so I think okay we are headed in the correct direction - almost there - BUT I go ahead and talk to the 5th grade teachers at the school that are awsome - ( our oldest went to the same school) - anyway I have a boy that reads with him after school two days a week -after they read a book they play legos for the last 10 minutes ( he stays after school 30 minutes -

Anyway - I get this stars reading paper sent home earlier this week and reading has went up but still shows behind - He is reading at the start of first grade not the middle - Now please keep in mind we also read with him and know that he can read = because we have listened to him and he has also taken AR reading test and scored 2 -100's and then an 80 on the other one - he did not start taking the AR test until I brought this up to the teacher a few weeks ago.

So today I send the paper back that had his reading score on it saying I would like to talk to her about it - and I get an email back today and to quote her "Instead of calling I was planning on actually seeing if you could come in for a conference after the break so we can look at several different things and talk about what is best for XXXX" - I did not want to wait until the first of the year so I called - and she happened to be by the office and we spoke a few minutes - how she had spoke to her peers about this child and how sweet he is etc and she felt it was best to hold him back at the end of the year. -

I was livid I admit - I don't get why if she had a problem why she has not called emailed or anything - OH and it is not that she has not had the chance I am the HOME ROOM MOM FOR THE CLASS so I have spoken to her several times - I always check his agenda -

she said his matured level is not what it should be - I guess it was fine 8 weeks ago.... everything was peachy in the parent teacher conference...... the emails I have sent asking questions everything has been great,,,, the papers I get home have almost always been 100's or at lest above 80percent - I have seen a couple that you can tell he just did not want to do it. he would just write a word in the blank and go on - you can clearly tell he did not even try - I have requested to know how he does on the spelling test and she told me she does not send those home.... he had an A in spelling on his last report card.... she told me at times when he does not want to do a paper he will either rush through or just not do it -- these are papers in class - these are also papers I guess she does not send home because like I have said I have only seen about 2 or three that have been like that - in fact hubby and I have talked about that the fact she never sends school papers home like our daughter would get - my BF lives in a different state her child is in 1st grade also and she gets a boat load of papers every week sent home

I called later today and spoke with the principal and told her when I meet with the teacher I would like her to be present. Am I just out of it --- or if there was a problem would you not think she would say something - email - or even call.

I am trying to not let this affect how I handle the party for the class Friday but it all happened today and I am so confessed and like were did this all come from that I would really just like to confront her - I know that Friday is not the time or place but uggg. I even told her I could be there after school today she said she could not - I suggest Thursday and she was to busy then...

I will wait and meet with her and the principal the second week in January BUT how would you feel - Do I not have the right to be a little PO about thiswhole thing.

sorry for the ramble but I need some other mom input

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To be honest when I have been in the class wth her, she hands them over to me. I have asked about spelling papers not being sent home - she said she did not send them home because there have been problems in the past - she did not elaborate - but if I would like to see them she would send them - she sent home two - ( spelling is a major thing - bad spelling seems to run in the family so I try to make a point to stay on that one ) - I have never questioned as to why more papers were not sent home. As for when I asked about having an older student read with him after school, she said she would, I mentioned it again, still nothing, so I spoke with the teacher in the higher grade. I have wrote notes in his agenda and sometimes they will be answered some times not, I have emailed asking questions etc or most of the time she will respond in a couple of days

I guess I never questioned her since nothing was said... And like I said she would just turn the class over -

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S.L.

answers from Boise on

I can understand why you're so upset. Hearing that your kid's teacher is considering holding him back would be a shock for anyone without any sort of warning before-hand. Especially since you thought things were going well. And still do.

I agree with some previous posts that it doesn't sound like your son is really in trouble or in actual danger of being held back. He'd have to be pretty far behind for that to happen, and I'm sure it's quite the process to have a kid held back.

Since you have some time before your conference with her, collect your thoughts and write down what you'd like to discuss with her. Ask her why she mentioned holding him back, ask her about the scores you mentioned in this post, etc. Defend your son--you're his only advocate, but don't act defensive. I know, that sounds contradictory. Just be open and make it obvious that you want what's best for your son.

I get myself worked up over things like this, and usually it turns out that I didn't have all the information. Once I get it all, things smooth out and I can handle it better. i hope it goes the same for you. Good luck!

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S.P.

answers from Los Angeles on

Can you possibly step back from your emotional reaction and distress
regarding the unexpectedness of this situation and
make a list of all the reasons you thought all was well.

And then, can you make a list of what didn't seem so good,
that you didn't pay much attention to because you thought all was well.

If you've been the homeroom mom, you've observed how things go in the classroom. Yes? Have you generally felt positive/approving of the teacher and how show handles the class? Before this upsetting surprise happened, did you feel pretty good about her competence and attitude?

I'll stop there. May add more later.
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C.A.

answers from San Francisco on

Okay....first slow down.

As a first grade teacher myself, having worked in several school districts, they all have something in common. There is a process to retain a child. Lots of documentations has to be made including documentaion what the school has done to help your child achieve grade level.

She doesn't sound like she has the best communication skills but coming on strong and angry will not help her express her point of view.

If after she meets with you and shows documentation that your son is truly SIGNIFICANTLY below grade level, than I would believe her that he should be retained. However, if this is a slight, NORMAL dip in this progress, then brush it off, continue to work at home, and keep in close communication with her for the rest of the year.

Good luck!

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O.S.

answers from Birmingham on

He's so very young and it is often that they are academically ready to advance but not social. You mention something in your post about his maturity maybe not being where it should be. This makes a huge difference early on and with how quickly the comprehend (and it seems to usually start with reading being a little slow). Our daughter was a little (stress little) slow in reading and I soooo wish I had held her back in 1st grade. We didn't and now that she's in middle school and just a little slow still in reading, it makes a big impact in Social Studies and Science where reading it so major with the comprehension of what you are studying. Don't take it personally, it has nothing to do with you at all ... this is about your son and I know that is what is most personal to us but the teacher will usually just try to OFFER suggestions on what is best and just probably needed more time to think about her options and watch him more. As long as his grades are passing (and our daughter's were pretty high too) he will no doubt be promoted. You'll have to decide if it's best for him or not. On of our children is waaay above avg. on reading and just floats in school with ease. It makes a huge difference and the extra year may really help him.

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G.T.

answers from Modesto on

You still have plenty of months to work on his maturity/reading skills. So dont get all crazy just yet. Have that meeting in January, the school year doesnt end till May. I'm sure the teacher has been giving him the benefit of the doubt and hoping he'll catch up by the end of the year, but she is also preparing you for the fact that he may not?
Like I said, you still have plenty of time. Maybe a different tutor would be better?
The communication between teacher and you could have been better, but teachers are pretty stressed these days..... so try not to take it so personal. Have your party on Friday and patiently wait for the meeting. In the meantime keep helping your boy at home with his reading and spelling skills as much as possible. When the little light bulb finally goes on in his head this will be a distant memory.
Calm down Mama Lion :)

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L.A.

answers from Austin on

Take a breath.
You will have a meeting and find out what the criteria is for this suggestion about holding your child back.. Do not assume anything.. This is not a reflection on you as a parent.. It is what is best for your son.

In January, the teacher will have all of her ducks in a row, so you all can talk with all of the information that will be needed..

Keep in mind, he may mature in the next few months and pick up where he is having deficiencies.. The school will be able to tell you what sorts of things he will need to work on. You can help during this winter break keeping an eye on his maturity level, concentration and reading..

Keep notes, write down questions as they come to you. Remember, the school wants your child to succeed. They are not trying to hold him back for any reason other than what will help him with his education. There is a solution and you will be a part of it. Do ot let this upset you or worry you. I know it is easier said than done, but this is all going to be alright in the end.

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S.T.

answers from Washington DC on

please bear in mind that the school is not the enemy. they don't dislike your son, or want to hurt him, or want to hurt you. they are not out to get you.
it's very easy to take this sort of thing personally and go in with all barrels blazing (and you will get lots of cheerleading for doing so.)
it is not helpful.
the school is giving you their honest opinion and evaluation of your son. you don't have to like it and you don't have to agree with it, and you can fight it. but you will not succeed and more important you will not help your child by kidding yourself that this is a mommabear issue and that you need to 'protect' your child from the bad guys by opening a can of whoopass.
remember these are professionals, and however awful the public school system is (i could write volumes about that) they DO care about children and DO want what's best for them and do NOT want upset angry parents.
please please please keep this in mind while you advocate for your child and work WITH these folks to come up with the best solution for your precious individual son.
if you go in there with loaded for bear you are going to get pushback. it will be highly dramatic and dripping with adrenaline and will do no one a single solitary bit of good.
take a deep breath.
remember they are your partners in this, not your enemy.
good luck.
khairete
S.

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M.L.

answers from Houston on

It sounds like she doesn't have a concrete reason as to why she feels he should be held back, and she hasn't spoken to you about it until now. What exactly does his 'maturity level' have to do with it, she's never brought it up before so obviously it has never been a big issue. He's working hard, completing his papers, progressing in grades. His reading level isn't perfect, but it's getting better and the year isn't over yet. He can also go to summer tutoring to help catch him up a bit more if needed. Is it that he wiggles and can't sit still in his seat or answer a question without raising is hand? Those are hardly reasons to hold a child back.

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C.P.

answers from Dallas on

I'm sorry but I'm siding with you on this one; if there was a remote chance of holding your son back she should have made it clear to you 8 weeks ago not to drop the bomb just "casually" expecting you to take it in stride. I know she is the teacher and she sees kids being held back all the time but we don't we are the parents and if they suddenly tell me my daughter is likely to be held back with no warning at all, you bet I'm going to fight it, with kindness and politely but I would def look for another option that doesn't include the child being held back.
You have the right to be angry but don't approach them angry, research a solution (tutoring for example) and bring a plan to the meeting, don't go unprepared.
Good luck! and I hope you have a happy holiday in spite of this,

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M.R.

answers from Columbus on

You have three issues here, and the least of them is how you handle the party on Friday. I would put that on the back burner, and do the best you can to just let your anger go about it for now, it will serve you well with the other two issues, which are far, far greater and of major concequence for your son.

I work as an educational advocate, and there are flags posted all over your story that you have a chance to pull out and wave and keep from calling someone like me in about three years to sort out why things have gone so wrong...I usually see families like yours after they have held back in K or 1 because the child had difficulty keeping up with one adacemic area, usually reading, and the teacher said that the child was "immature." At first, the parents were pleased with the child's "progress" by being held back, and as soon as the child was a year older than his grade peers, he was at grade level for everything, but just for a short time. As the grade peers progressed, their child did not, and by the time they contact me, thier child is older than the class, unhappy, not reading at grade level, and all the other subjects, that were previously fine, are begining to drop drasticly, and the whole issue has become the childs "attitude" and the teachers blame the child as a behavior problem. I go through the educational records fromt he start, and I see it over, and over, and over again. Please, don't hold your son back.

Instead, take your family history, and his history, and add them up and use them to get him a new way to learn to read. Whole langauge works for most kids, and it is a far easier way to teach reading than alphebet phonics. But ALL children can learn to read with alphabet phonics based programs. This is what your son needs, and with your family history of trouble with spelling (weaknesses in phoenomic decoding are familial, and even if they do not amount to full blown dyslexia, they are remediated in the same way.) What you need to do on Friday, is to set aside your anger today so that you stay on good terms with his teacher so that she wants to help you get what your son needs, not so that she is as mad at you as you are at her and she has reason to prove that you are wrong later. Trust me on this, it does work that way, and you need to be smarter than she is and set yourself up for success.

At this point in the way remedial services for reading disorders works, it is not necessary to diagnose a learning disablity, there is something called RTI (Response to Intervention) that he should qualify for without any need to be learning disabled. The point of RTI, very clearly prefered in IDEA, is for all children with reading issues to recieve remediation so that they can be succesful readers, and by doing so without any need to identify them, they can catch the kids early and therfore never need to identify the child with a disablity. In theory, this is how it should work. Kids show signs of reading trouble in 1st grade. They get in class help, if it does not work, they get stepped up to more rigorous school interventions (this has already happened for your son) if this does not work, they are to start with RTI, a researched based reading program, and the one that has been shown to work is an alphebet phonics program, the most succesful of which is called Orton Gillingham, but there are many Orton Gillingham based alphabet phonics programs out there that are effective. Your job now, is to advocate for him to get different reading instruction, not just more of the same whole language that has not worked already, if it did not work already, it will not work if they do it again and it won't work if they do it slower, or one on one, or if they hold him back (wreck his self esteem, crush the subjects he does fine in and bore him with the same stuff he already knows)

Additionally, if you hold him back, you atomatically lesson his issue. That is a very bad thing. You will be arguing that he needs help, but the teacher will be telling you, no, he is right where he needs to be with his classmates, and she thinks he is just fine. Until they all pass him over, and then, you have lost an entire year of targeted instruction, and he still is not that far behind, though you will be in a panic, he will always be compared to his grade peers, not his aged peers. Retention is a disaster for kids with specific learning disablities that respond to appropriate intervention.

So, I would say, you do have three issues: 1st: Your son should not be held back. 2nd: You need to get him the right kind of help as soon as you can. 3rd: You need to figure out a way to make this teacher love you so much that she will help you get what your son needs, and not stand in your way because she is angry with you.

My suggestions are that you schedule an appointment with a Neuropsycholgist to get a full evaluation of your sons academic profile. You need to know more than the school does about where your son is having trouble, and what he needs to fix it. Although the school does not need to evaluate prior to giving him services under RTI, you need data, you need to know more than they do, and you need to be able to tell them they are wrong with numbers if they turn you down for what he needs. You need to keep them honest.

Next, go to the party, and forget what happened already. Go out of your way to make things nice, wonderful, delightful, and do not bring up your anger. Let it go for now, it will not help you at all to shoot one over the bough at this point...think ahead, way, way ahead to your son's future. Having your son do well will be the very best reward.

Then, write a letter requesting that your son recieve RTI services for his reading issues, and request an orton gillingham based alphabet phonics program if the school has one available. Tell them that you are aware that he does not have to be identified as learning disabled to recieve these services, however, you will consent to evaluation if that is what it takes to get him into this program as soon as possible. Ask for a copy of your rights under section 504 of the rehabilitation act and IDEA because you suspect that your son has a disablity (if you use that langauge, you trigger a certain level of response, and you want that response, even if you do not think he has a disablity.) This will get the ball rolling. Then you have to see what kind of response you get from them. They may stonewall, drag feet, tell you that they don't do things this way, many responses are posible, depending on your school district, but you will educate yourself before that happens so that you will know how to respond.

So, next, educate yourself about school advocacy. log on to www.wrightslaw.com and start reading about RTI, retention, reading disablity, and advocacy. Before you get the feedback from the Neuropsychologist, read the article named "Understanding Tests and Measurements for Parents and Advocates" so that you really understand everything they tell you.

Last, face to face meetings right now are your enemy. They are feeling you out, and nothing you say or they say at these meetings will have ever happened. You want to write, not talk. You cannot hold a conversation in your hand and hold them to what they say. If you must speak, follow up with an email that summerizes everything said, especially the promises they make, and say at the end "if you do not correct me in writing within 10 school days, I will assume that all the details of our converstation written here are accurate."

So, while it may not feel terrifict right away, because I know you are pissed, remember, you need to think ahead, and I have met you over and over again...only about four years after this moment. You can avoid me by seeing to it that he gets what he needs now, is never held back, and that you always know more than the school does about your son's needs.

Good luck! Let me know if I can help.

M.

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L.M.

answers from Dover on

If his maturity level is not up to par, I doubt it changed overnight. You also have 5-6 months of the school year so there is time for it to improve.

If there are problems why were they not brought up at the other meetings? If they are just starting and everything had been fine, why would it suddenly influence the WHOLE year?

As for reading, he is showing improvement so what you are doing is working...keep at it. See what else they may suggest.

I think it is important to know now that repeating is a real option but too early to make an absolute decision.

Take a list of questions so you know what you want to ask. Have prior correspondence printed so you can refer to specific info. If possible, take your husband (or someone that can help you review the info and keep you grounded if you get upset....you probably will cause I know I would).

Good luck.

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M.B.

answers from Los Angeles on

UGHHH I would be so PO'ed too. What the heck man! Here in Ca there is a law called "no child left behind" and they dont hold kids back or at least they are not suppose too. Come to find out they held my teenager back and didnt notify me. Unless they notified his dad and his dad didnt tell me... (very likely) Good move having principle there...

D.H.

answers from New York on

I wish I could "send" a bouquet to Martha!!!!!

Do what Martha says, including written documentation! If you are met with any resistance, the best line is "we want Little Joey to be a success story for this school district so let's all work together to ensure he has the right support and services, to make him that success story!"

OMG I love you Martha! (Can you tell I've so been through this? )

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D.N.

answers from Chicago on

Your son sounds a lot liek mine at that age. His Stars score was at the beginning of the year. The teachers however-at 2 different schools because they transferred to public school after 2nd grade-all told me they take the Stars scores lightly. Not all kids test well even though they know the stuff and can do the work. My son also would hurry if he did not want to do something. he would get excellent grades. But the testing, sigh. My kids take the AR tests (reading comprehension type things-cannot remember what AR stands for at this moment) and they do well but for some reason one of my girls ahs a range of 3.8 to 5.4. That is really low though she loves to read higher books. She reads books at 9.3 level and totally understands. Also, their state tests show they test really high so not all tests match their abilities. I do think it is strange for there to suddenly be a problem when everything was great at the parent/teacher conferences.

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